Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Shock as man notices that 7-11 stores are run by Indians

A ONE Nation candidate has courted controversy, complaining that Indians own most convenience stores.
One Nation Queensland state director Ian Nelson made the comments shortly after he announced that he would run for the key seat of Ashgrove.
"Ninety-five per cent of those 7-11 stores are now run by Indian families," he told the Nine Network yesterday.
"Now what's happened to the Australians that man those, that have those leases?
"Now they've gone, they're out."
Asked whether he was worried about being labelled racist, Mr Nelson replied, "How is that being a racist?"
Labor member for Ashgrove Kate Jones wasted no time taking to Twitter to ask Liberal National Party leader Campbell Newman whether he was still considering a preference deal with the One Nation party.
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A few points:

* Yes, a huge proportion of convenience stores are staffed by people of Indian, or at least South Asian, descent. Thank you Captain Obvious.

* Are these people really "Indians" or are they "Indian-Australians"?

* Is there any suggestion that there is something wrong with that? Do Indians do something to illegally or improperly corner the market? Or are they simply doing a job that a lot of "Australians" aren't so keen to do?

* People from India are often more willing to work longer hours, or at later hours, than many others. Take them out of the equation, and there'd be a smaller pool of people willing to do these jobs, meaning fewer convenience stores open when you need them... which is not very convenient.

* I'll repeat a point I've made in earlier posts. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Immigrants who end up on welfare are derided as freeloaders. Immigrants who work hard and succeed are derided as "taking our jobs". Solution = don't be an immigrant, because you just can't win with some people.


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"Send them all back!" even if they are Australian
When is an American not an American?
Asians taking over Melbourne's phone book

7 comments:

  1. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Immigrants who end up on welfare are derided as freeloaders. Immigrants who work hard and succeed are derided as "taking our jobs". Solution = don't be an immigrant, because you just can't win with some people.

    You know, ES, you may be surprised to hear this coming from me of all people, but I actually agree with you on this.

    It is true. When nativists, be they white or in East Asian countries like Japan say they don't want immigrants, it very rarely has to do with jobs or similar factors.

    They just don't want foreigners.

    However, I wouldn't say that they dislike immigrants due to some visceral hatred.

    It's really a survival instinct on their part. The massive immigration of radically different groups of people, coupled with their high birthrates, makes them a threat to the majority group, in this case white people.

    Take Europe, for example. For the longest time since WWII, it always prided itself as cosmopolitan, tolerant, etc. However, as Europe has become more "diverse" due to mass immigration and high non-white birthrates, European far right parties have made tremendous gains. I recall predicting this a while back. Just as the U.S's growing racial diversity has made white people turn more and more to the right, you have a similar dynamic in Europe.

    Then again, as long as it doesn't devolve into Russian ultranationalist/skinhead style violence, I don't think xenophobia or wariness about immigration among white people is really a bad thing. It's perfectly understandable.

    East Asian countries like Japan are unapologetically immigration restrictionist and xenophobic. Compared to them, the white/Western world is pretty damn tolerant.

    Unfortunately, non-whites often take advantage of this tolerance or are given a free pass, as you alluded to in your "Muslim youth and rape" post, as well as your debate with Razib Khan.

    I think this, along with the basic survival instinct, is why more and more whites are becoming increasingly reactionary and xenophobic. They see all this "tolerance" and non-white immigration as a one-way street.

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    1. BAG, I find that you agree with me on a lot of things, and always seem surprised by it.
      Regarding Europe and Japan, I actually have more sympathy for xenophobic attitudes in these places. Each has its own distinctive culture which will change with large-scale immigration.
      But with places like Australia, the US, Canada and New Zealand, I'm less sympathetic. The indigenous populations have long since been sidelined, and these are countries built on immigration. They have not built up such a distinctive culture of their own that requires preservation.
      I understand their xenophobia even if I don't like it. I do feel though that it is important to carefully manage immigration and integration; one can't expect to have a free-for-all and not expect the natives to get restless.

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    2. Well, I guess it just goes to show that ideas and beliefs stand on their own, and that it's foolish to strictly bind oneself to an ideological category. For all that you may be an "anti-racist" and for all that I may be a "white nationalist," we agree on more than an outside observer might think.

      I can understand why people have little sympathy for xenophobia among white Americans or other whites living in "settler nations" like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc, even if I don't agree with it. From their perspective, I guess it does take nerve for whites to immigrate from all over the world, steal the land of natives, and then say they don't want non-white immigrants.

      Still, even though these countries may be younger than Europe and have been founded on immigration, they still have the right to decide who can or cannot come in. All countries have that right. Without borders or regulation, you might as well not have a nation.

      In the end, regardless of whether those countries have a unique culture, or are built on immigration, nativism/xenophobia still comes down to the same survival instinct. It's not even based on culture (as you pointed out when referring to Europe and Japan) so much as it is blood and soil.

      Just to be fair, plenty of non-whites assimilate and try to fit in. I've seen this myself. I'd be lying if I said that diversity/immigration is all bad.

      But I do think you're right that it needs to be managed more. Personally, I'd prefer that white/Western countries adopt a restrictionist/protectionist approach with regards to immigration (like Japan does), but I suppose the genie is already out of the bottle.

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  2. I don't have issues with Asians owning these shops and stores. Many people in these parts can learn discipline and hard work from Asians.

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  3. There are two kinds of racists in the world: Unconditional racists (American racists) and conditional racists (British and Aussie variety). Unconditional racists are those who dont move out of their all white neighborhood, let alone move to another part of the country. Conditional racists have problems with other races migrating to their country, but no problem living among non-white peoples in the latter's country. There are many Aussies and Brits I have met in Singapore who have no problem living among non-whites in those countries, but have major problems with Singaporeans migrating to Australia or the UK. They just want to go to these non-white countries, hold their noses, make enough money and get back home to live among other whites.

    I have no problem with restricting non-white migration, but not when a country is nose deep in debt and depends on non-white countries (China, Japan and other Asian countries) to keep them afloat. I have no problem with Norway or Austria having no immigration policy as they are not nose-deep in debt to other countries. Countries that ran up their debt with other countries have forfeited their right to preserve their culture and skin color....and you can probably figure out which country I am talking about here.

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  4. Perhaps if European decent Australians were on the same wicket as Indians, east Asians ect... Then perhaps this xenophobia would decline. Being lower and middle class European family decent Australians do not have access to minority small and medium government subsidised interest rate business loans, such as the Indians do.

    Oh to be a favoured minority with a couple of perks.

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  5. The Convenience Store Market in India will be boosted by the increasing profits levels coupled with changing lifestyle, resulting in increased demand for convenience shopping.

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